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don't ...Stumbled across this page by accident,<br /><br />don't you Christians ever shut up?<br /><br />You just rave on and on about trivial garbageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-26620216116514597912009-05-30T10:06:23.599-07:002009-05-30T10:06:23.599-07:00I don't know that anyone will follow a comment her...I don't know that anyone will follow a comment here this late in the game, but I just came upon this...<br /><br />In abusive systems, or in the minds of those who are threatened by even acknowledging the reality of the abuse and thus the moral responsibility to actually DO something about it, the one who points out the red flag, the one who, like Shari, says, "Hey, the emperor has no clothes," Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-72321176347424419452009-02-22T01:47:00.000-08:002009-02-22T01:47:00.000-08:00More here:Praying Heart - Seeking Justice & Re...More here:<BR/><B>Praying Heart</B> - <I>Seeking Justice & Reconciliation at Mars Hill</I><BR/><A HREF="http://prayingheart.wordpress.com" REL="nofollow"><B>http://prayingheart.wordpress.com</B></A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-88790382731683191162009-02-19T21:52:00.000-08:002009-02-19T21:52:00.000-08:00Thanks Steph for posting Shari's letter. And thank...Thanks Steph for posting Shari's letter. And thank you Shari for being so brave!<BR/><BR/>It seems so common now that I meet people who have been hurt, abused and dismissed from the "church." These occurrences burden me. Churches wonder why they lose people...it's because they think they can traffic and police people into loving God. <BR/><BR/>The reality is...it's a challenge in the church to julshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17442765900871914975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-6040635244970675102009-02-18T22:52:00.000-08:002009-02-18T22:52:00.000-08:00Everyone:Perhaps this is a good note on which to "...Everyone:<BR/><BR/>Perhaps this is a good note on which to "wrap things up". If Shari is too exhausted to continue on in this (the very person that this discussion has revolved around) then this would be as good a'time as ever to gracefully bow out.<BR/><BR/>Shari, nibbling marmot, Simone: Thank you for your kind words.<BR/><BR/>Steph: I hope we're still cool. I really hope I haven't hurt you, Trevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00286751521159111575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-24989672473387480692009-02-18T21:57:00.000-08:002009-02-18T21:57:00.000-08:00I'm going to make a late contribution here after f...I'm going to make a late contribution here after following this for past two days.<BR/><BR/>First of all, I will state that I whole heartedly agree with Steph and Shari that Mark Driscoll is despicable and abusive. Having said that, I think I see where Trev was coming from, though he might have made his point clearer had he taken a position on the matter. If I understand him correctly, he was Simonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15995741186393767934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-3017947866032904112009-02-18T19:45:00.000-08:002009-02-18T19:45:00.000-08:00Trevor, thanks for the apology. I'm sorry, too, fo...Trevor, thanks for the apology. I'm sorry, too, for the "oh-so-compassionate" comment and for getting so angry. I'm just so, so tired of trying to stand up and help make things better for people, especially women in the church, only to wind up feeling like a target at a carnival shooting range while the original offense (in this case, Mark Driscoll's words about women) is condoned, or at the veryShariMacDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08880242490750057666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-60819635681208913462009-02-18T19:15:00.000-08:002009-02-18T19:15:00.000-08:00I think it would be hard to keep you out from unde...I think it would be hard to keep you out from under my skin, Trev, seeing as how you introduced yourself into the comment thread by letting us know that you agreed with a previous poster, who was also under my skin. That said, I appreciate your willingness to dialogue with me. I'm allowed to be irritated, and so are you. Obviously. That's what this is all about, right? We're annoyed, so we're the nibbling marmothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04553961414714267484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-17915357852193536182009-02-18T18:38:00.000-08:002009-02-18T18:38:00.000-08:00Nibbling Marmot,You said: "..then why do you conti...Nibbling Marmot,<BR/><BR/>You said: "..then why do you continue to argue invalid points with people who are laying their hearts on the line in order to bring more people into the light?"<BR/><BR/>Can you please clarify as to which points of mine have been "invalid"? As you may expect, I personally feel that everything I've taken to time to write down so far has been a valid point. Validity is Trevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00286751521159111575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-89666279944413832782009-02-18T18:26:00.000-08:002009-02-18T18:26:00.000-08:00And Rye, I agree with you- let's call these people...And Rye, I agree with you- let's call these people out on their shit. Let's not keep sweeping it under the rug. <BR/><BR/>Kudos, Stephy.the nibbling marmothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04553961414714267484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-25156780024904717662009-02-18T18:16:00.000-08:002009-02-18T18:16:00.000-08:00Trev,If, as you said, the world outside of Mars Hi...Trev,<BR/><BR/>If, as you said, the world outside of Mars Hill is moving on, then why do you continue to argue invalid points with people who are laying their hearts on the line in order to bring more people into the light? <BR/><BR/>By calling Stephy's experience a sob story used to make a point, you are proving that you are not coming from a place of compassion and openness. It is disturbing tothe nibbling marmothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04553961414714267484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-59039643136354806522009-02-18T18:10:00.000-08:002009-02-18T18:10:00.000-08:00Shari,I'm truly sorry I've made you feel this way....Shari,<BR/><BR/>I'm truly sorry I've made you feel this way. I was honestly trying to have an open/rational dialogue.<BR/><BR/>I've obviously offended you, which I deeply regret.<BR/><BR/>Looking back, I came on too strong initially with little consideration. I don't have an excuse that would do me any justice, so again, I'm truly sorry.Trevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00286751521159111575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-11049473203656444982009-02-18T18:04:00.000-08:002009-02-18T18:04:00.000-08:00Stephy, I really do know where you're coming from....Stephy, <BR/><BR/>I really do know where you're coming from. I'm not, however, comfortable talking about it in mixed company, but I do nonetheless.<BR/><BR/>This is what's difficult about these discussions. It gets personal...too personal. Please don't take what I have to say next as crass or abrasive (not my intention).<BR/><BR/>Sob stories have a way of being utilised to push one's agenda. I Trevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00286751521159111575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-67253829580370313762009-02-18T17:34:00.000-08:002009-02-18T17:34:00.000-08:00Trevor, I obviously was infuriated by your post, a...Trevor, I obviously was infuriated by your post, and rightly so. Nothing in your post indicates a desire to understand or to help. All you did was position chauvenism as biblical and defend people who hurt others and who refuse to acknowledge that pain or change their behavior -- yet you were more than happy to rail at me for raising a red flag and to, essentially, call me a childish whiner. You ShariMacDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08880242490750057666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-66270631658217121942009-02-18T16:28:00.000-08:002009-02-18T16:28:00.000-08:00Trev, I know too much about this because I'm a sur...Trev, I know too much about this because I'm a survivor of it. Women go back to abusive relationships because they think they deserve to be treated like that. The statistics say that women in abusive relationships overwhelmingly had abusive or absentee fathers, and being treated so badly is all they know. Daddy issues are rooted in wanting your dad's approval that you didn't get and if you had a stephyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10047873385595074389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-68246199966035490832009-02-18T15:35:00.000-08:002009-02-18T15:35:00.000-08:00Hi Shari,You said: "Right! Is Driscoll really more...Hi Shari,<BR/><BR/>You said: "Right! Is Driscoll really more chauvenistic than Paul? Was Hitler really more evil than Charles Manson? Or Jim Jones? Or Pol Pot? Get over it people!"<BR/><BR/>I'm drawing a direct line between original/scriptural church representatives and current ones. Hence, fighting Driscoll's chauvinism = fighting scripture (Paul). I wasn't just comparing random people's Trevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00286751521159111575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-12709594636230863762009-02-18T11:53:00.000-08:002009-02-18T11:53:00.000-08:00OK let’s start by saying that I am a white male Ba...OK let’s start by saying that I am a white male Baptist from SE London (UK). I can feel the heat of anger coming off these posts and, to me, some of them, but not all, are not the type of anger displayed by Jesus (or Paul, who sometimes gets a higher rating). Let's get this straight from a scriptural point of view, there should be no doubt that Jesus placed women in an equal position before GodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-45910634376135201162009-02-18T11:15:00.000-08:002009-02-18T11:15:00.000-08:00Steph (and Shari),You're far more brave than I am ...Steph (and Shari),<BR/><BR/>You're far more brave than I am on confronting spiritual abuse. I don't know what I told you about the church I grew up in, but there was a HUGE divide created by our (then) Pastor, Richard Frazier, similar to this Driscoll kerfuffle. My father was one of the first to speak out against Richard Frazier and because of that was alienated for a long time in the church Ryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02057698720196000407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-50187889646322249382009-02-18T10:08:00.000-08:002009-02-18T10:08:00.000-08:00P.S. Why can't we take a sermon at face value and ...P.S. Why can't we take a sermon at face value and agree to disagree? Spoken like a middle-class privileged white man in a society ruled by middle-class privileged white men who never get made fun of from the pulpit by middle-class privileged white men in power. If you were the one being mocked, shamed, and disparaged by "spiritual authority" on a regular basis -- or if you actually cared for a ShariMacDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08880242490750057666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-37406869488520296452009-02-18T10:01:00.000-08:002009-02-18T10:01:00.000-08:00"You" being the oh-so-compassionate Trevor, of cou..."You" being the oh-so-compassionate Trevor, of course.ShariMacDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08880242490750057666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-80738359127719098592009-02-18T09:59:00.000-08:002009-02-18T09:59:00.000-08:00Right! Is Driscoll really more chauvenistic than P...Right! Is Driscoll really more chauvenistic than Paul? Was Hitler really more evil than Charles Manson? Or Jim Jones? Or Pol Pot? Get over it people! <BR/><BR/>Please. There isn't one paragraph in Trevor's post that is actually driven by intelligent critical thinking -- or a shred of compassion. More importantly, it illustrates perfectly why people are leaving the evangelical church in emotional ShariMacDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08880242490750057666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-19009688119079081652009-02-18T09:44:00.000-08:002009-02-18T09:44:00.000-08:00Firstly (in case anyone cares), I fully side with ...Firstly (in case anyone cares), I fully side with Mike in this matter.<BR/><BR/>I go to a church that challenges me. On a good day, I will -maybe- agree with 25% of what's said in the sermon. And I'm OK with that!<BR/><BR/>Why can't we just take a sermon at face value and agree to disagree? Is this Driscoll guy being any more chauvinistic than the apostle Paul? And who cares? Why can't we just Trevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00286751521159111575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8092454655191120011.post-54308384542942204262009-02-17T22:33:00.000-08:002009-02-17T22:33:00.000-08:00Hi friendYour blog is really very interesting... a...Hi friend<BR/><BR/>Your blog is really very interesting... and informative...i like it....!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com